Goyim stop throwing around the word Zionist challenge.
Because y’all don’t know what it means. You have no IDEA what it means, you don’t understand all of its applications. You probably don’t know that “Zionism” isn’t just one big homogeneous thing, but rather is as varied as the Jewish community itself. If I say that I am a Zionist, literally all that is telling you is that I think the Jewish people have a right to self-determination. Full stop. It says nothing about my opinions on Israel, it says nothing about my thoughts on the conflict or the Israeli government or on Palestine. Fuck, I can think of like, four different kinds of Zionism off the top of my head.
The fact that I see a bunch of fucking goyim going around saying shit like “op is a Zionist”, as if that actually says anything about OP and what OP thinks, is making me fucking sick. Goyim have taken the word Zionist and turned it into a word that means “A Jew that I do not like/ a Jew that said something I don’t like/ a Jew that doesn’t Jew the way I think they should”.
So goyim, until you fucking learn that being a Zionist can mean any of a hundred different things, until you learn that Zionist doesn’t mean what you antisemitic fucks love to say it does (namely that Zionism is white supremacy and other bullshit like that, because it isn’t), and until you learn to stop inserting yourselves into discussions about actual fucking Jews being murdered by Nazis in our houses of worship with pathetic, hateful posts about Zionists, as if there is ANY reason why a Jew deserves to be murdered for being a Jew, you can fuck right off.
Because every single one of you who does this shit? Who goes around talking shit about Zionists, who accuses Jews of being your bullshit definition of a Zionism, who reduces Zionism to some twisted racial ideology, every single fucking one of you is complicit in the murder of Jewish people. You are spreading antisemitic rhetoric that directly contributes to our deaths.
So cut it the fuck out.
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belle-juive said:
Like it’s honestly baffling to me that so many people are so emotionally tied to the term “Zionist” they’re just redefining it when it’s very easy to look up. But if you were to talk to Palestinians, they would have absolutely no respect for that since their last 70 years of history has been displacement, settler-colonialism and occupation as a result of Zionism like yes it has actual political implications, otherwise you’re just saying things that have no connection to reality on the ground
belle-juive said:
Trust me, I get the emotional weight of the term. But you’re saying the term Zionism is “full stop” just Jewish self-determination and leaving out the actual meaning and history. Jewish self-determination *by establishing a state in Palestine using colonial tools.* if you would argue we are post-Zionism now, okay, I kind of agree with that but that doesn’t seem to be your argument and you just can’t retroactively redefine historical movements to obfuscate their problems
belle-juive said:
@hazel2468 this is frustrating because the issue with this is that Zionism actually is a very specific modern political movement and even non-political factions like cultural Zionism didn’t mean “Jewish self determination.” They also didn’t win. Political Zionism, specifically Labor Zionism established the state of Israel, during which over 700 thousand Palestinians were forcibly displaced. Saying you’re a Zionist absolutely does have modern political implications, especially for Palestinians.
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schadenfreude-personified liked this As someone who isn’t Jewish, thank you for the explanation. I’m one of those people that wants to be helpful/not a...
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ereini0n said:
Zionism is a badge of honour, not a burn.
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